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Thursday
Aug172017

Coming Soon to the Smackdown

Hey all. You voted earlier this year on which years you'd most like to see covered on the Supporting Actress Smackdown. The next four regular Smackdowns (excluding the one in February for the new nominees of course) are drawn from your top five most requested years. 

October 1st "Supporting Actress Smackdown 1985"
Panelists: TBA; Nominees: Margaret Avery and Oprah Winfrey in The Color Purple, Meg Tilly in Agnes of God, Anjelica Huston in Prizzi's Honor, and Amy Madigan in Twice in a Lifetime

November 5th "Supporting Actress Smackdown 1944"
Panelists: TBA; Nominees: Ethel Barrymore in None but the Lonely Heart, Jennifer Jones in Since You Went Away, Angela Lansbury in Gaslight, Aline MacMahon in Dragon Seed, and Agnes Moorehead in Mrs Parkington.

Get to watching those 9 movies and the Smackdowns will feel even more festive for you! And yes this means that September's 'year of the month' (that thing where we very randomly investigate a particular vintage of film) will be 1985 and October's will be 1944. ANY REQUESTS?  

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I totally forgot Meg Tilly was Oscar nominated for that movie! I'll have to revisit it.

Side note: her sister should have won for Bullets Over Broadway. @ me.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterLaLaBland

Likewise forgot we have Oscar nominee Amy Madigan. Only seen Prizzi's Honor and Color Purple out of these nominees so excited to get watching!

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterChris James

1944 should definitely be Frenchman's Creek with Joan Fontaine in the lead role!

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterJesper

1957, 1960, 1981, 2005

Really interesting performances and/or films.

05 feels ripe for revisitation. I think there's 3 knockout performances in it plus plenty to discuss all around.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterDrew C

Oops misread the question.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterDrew C

Excited for these, especially the 85 commentary. Love Huston's career but I'd be interested to hear a defense of that win from someone.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered Commentereurocheese

1985- Witness has been discussed a lot on this site, but it is always worth discussing. I'd discuss Ford's performance in the film. Kiss of the Spider Woman would be neat to read about. My favorite comedy was released that year with Clue. Other fun choices would be: Back to the Future, My Beautiful Launderette, Return to Oz, The Black Cauldron, The Goonies, The Breakfast Club, and Weird Science.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterBrian

Meiko Harada owns supporting actress 1985.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered Commentermarkgordonuk

These Smackdowns sound great.

LaLaBland: I agree with you!

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterEdward L.

Nelson Muntz to Anjelica Huston: Haha your Oscar win here prevented you from winning Best Actress.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered Commenter/3rtful

Great smackdowns to look forward to!

Sorry Edward L & LaLaBland: Diane Wierst deservedly won the SA oscar for Bullets Over Broadway - she was brilliantly funny. Love Jennifer Tilley tho.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterRob

Unpopular Opinion but Tracey Ullman was best in show from Bullets Over Broadway.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered Commenter/3rtful

1985 would be cool. It's always fun to revisit movies from the year I was born.

And as for future smackdowns, would love to see 1961 and 1992. I know Stinkylulu already had a smackdown for those years, but she did 1985 as well.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered Commenterajnrules

When going over 1944 (gosh, that's a ropey set of nominations) would be great to hear your collective thoughts about Hitchcock's Lifeboat and the potential Anne Hathaway starring remake.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterBJT

I agree with Rob completely.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterDg

85 will be interesting to read about. If you want some ideas, I'm always down to read about the queer subtext of Nightmare on Elm Street 2.

I would love to read more on The Black Cauldron, but I know Tim has already suffered through it once, so I wouldn't want to force it on him again.

I do expect something on The Trip to Bountiful since I know Nathaniel is a fan of Geraldine Page.

Looking forward to it!

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterPoliVamp

I'd like to see the 79 or 96.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered Commentermarkgordonuk

Mark -- we already did 1979 two years ago right here.

ajn -- the only reason we're redoing 1985 is because of so many requests for it and because, since it was the odd man out in stinkylulu's catalogue (having only two panelists) it felt kind of incomplete/ripe for rethink.

Drew -- 1960 is totally my dream year to do but i've literally never been able to find one of the movies so the year remains off limits for now. sad face.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterNATHANIEL R

Rob: No need to apologise - it's just a difference of opinion. My reasoning is: I adore Dianne Wiest, I love her win for Hannah and Her Sisters, like her in everything I've seen her in - and, yes, she's hilarious in Bullets Over Broadway. But I feel she plays Helen Sinclair a bit too broadly - even in a film that asks its actors to be broad; I'm never convinced that Wiest takes Helen seriously. I feel, however, that Tilly plays Olive totally seriously - she's authentic from first scene to last.

/3rtful: Not an unpopular opinion with me - I enjoy her very much in it. I just think her role isn't given quite enough space to shine in comparison with some of the rest of the cast.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterEdward L.

Can't wait to hear thoughts on Dragon Seed

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterArlo

Woohoo! What wonderful news to wake up to! Can't wait!

Although I've only seen Gaslight for the 1944 films.

1962 would be a great year to do as well (Angela in Manchurian!)

I don't mind TFE redoing years from Stinkylulu as the discussions are always interesting and enjoyable.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterAdam Lewis

Adam -- mostly i'd rather branch off into other categories (GASP) than redo years though ;)

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterNATHANIEL R

1942-Just rewatched The Magnificent Ambersons.
1939-Why was Margaret Hamilton snubbed for The Wizard of Oz?

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterTOM

1969, what an intriguing year.. I remember being so pissed watching because the only actress not present was eventual winner, newcomer Goldie Hawn. Catherine Burns was my torch, but god Susannah York and Dyan Cannon were also brilliant.

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterDan

1985 things to revisit: TV movies. This was the year that brought us Carol Channing in "Alice in Wonderland" and Megan Follows in "Anne of Green Gables". Or a truly indelible supporting actress turn: Helen Hunt in "Girls just want to have fun".

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterDave S.

There is "Alice in Wonderland", and then there's "Malice in Wonderland" with Elizabeth Taylor and Jane Alexander as Louella Parsons and Hedda Hopper Not a great film, but very good performances.

Also, that was the Year of the Farm Woman, although, I feel like you did that already... or someone on the Interwebz has done that. (Sorry I cheated on you by looking at other websites, Nathaniel.)

Molly vs. Ally in "The Breakfast Club", of course. Or Fairuza Balk vs. Judy Garland ?

"Girls Just Wanna Have Fun", "Jagged Edge", "Mask" and Cher's non nomination,

I was a junior in High School that year. Crazy times!

Feel better!

August 17, 2017 | Unregistered Commenterforever1267

This gives me a good excuse to finally watch Prizzi's Honor.

For me, 1985 supporting actressing was all about the Clue ladies!

August 18, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterBrad

@Nathaniel

Oh my god - examining other categories would be amazing! So much material - So many great discussions possible!

My favourite category is Original score (though I notice it's any area that is often neglected on TFE).

Costume design is another great category of course.

Even discussions of ceremonies themselves.

The podcast is heavenly!

August 18, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterAdam Lewis

Nathaniel-out of curiosity, which of the 1960 nominees is the hard-to-find film? Sons and Lovers?

August 18, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterJohn T

John -- the dark at the top of the stairs (though sons & lovers hasn't been easy in the past either)

August 18, 2017 | Registered CommenterNATHANIEL R

I completely agree with Dave S. on Anne of Green Gables, and Pee Wee's Big Adventure is worth discussing as well! Anne and Pee Wee made 1985 for 10-year-old me.

I skipped the 1963 smackdown - I watched the movies two years ago, but they were all so boring I barely remember them, but these look like fun. I've seen all the 1985 nominees except for Twice in a Lifetime, but I'm glad for an excuse to rewatch them (even Agnes of God, which is a little.....). And I can't believe I'll finally have to watch Dragon Seed!

August 18, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterSuzanne

Excellent news:

I agree with Anjelica Huston. Now... 1944.

I have never been a fan of Ethel Barrymore. Just like her brother Lionel (and unlike John), she was never quite able to shake off the "theatrical" nature of her performances. Aline MacMahon in Dragon Seed is soooo wrong. All those white actors playing Chinese people is what we would now call politically incorrect and really offensive. These were not Agnes Moorehead's or Angela Lansbury's best performances. This leaves us with Jennifer Jones, though I would have preferred Hattie McDaniel also for SYWA. And once Jones gets and Oscar for this film, you knwo I love to play musical chairs. Ingrid Bergman should have won in 1943 for Casablanca instead of Jones for Bernadette. Then, in 1944, Bergman's overacting in Gaslight should have given way to the glorious Barbara Stanwyck in Double Indemnity.

Suggestions for 1944: Since You Went Away, the Home Front movie for the US just like Mrs. Miniver was across the pond, the little-seen Wilson (there's a lot of back-story there to delve into) and Hitchcock's LIfeboat.

Suggestions for 1985: The Trip to Bountiful, Kiss of the Spider Woman and The Official Story.

August 18, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterMarcos

1988 has always been a favorite of mine, a really strong field. Have you done that one?

August 18, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterJon

1985 is all about the Mask snubs (Actress, Actor, Supporting Actor, Original Screenplay) and Cher's "I'll show y'all" Oscar ceremony costume!

August 18, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterNewMoonSon

FYI, I can't find Since You Went Away streaming anywhere, and it's not available for rent on Netflix, but it is playing on TCM on September 5 at 5:30 a.m.

August 18, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterSuzanne

Jon - they did 1988 over at StinkyLulu's old blog (that's Davis over Weaver/Cusack/McDormand/Pfeiffer, right?).

Ooh Nightmare on Elm Street and queer subtext *would* be fun! What's the name of the documentary about those movies? I remember that the screenwriter and lead actor knew what was going on, but the director and actor playing the quasi-love interest had no idea.

August 18, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterJakey

1985 yesssss!!!! Thanks for granting my request, Nathaniel! :D <- happy 1985 baby

August 19, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterSanty C.

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