Film Bitch History
Oscar History

The Film Experience™ was created by Nathaniel R. Gemini, Cinephile, Actressexual. All material herein is written and copyrighted by Nathaniel or a member of our team as noted.


Powered by Squarespace
Don't Miss This!

Review: Ready or Not

Comment Fun

Yes Not Maybe So: Bombshell

" I am not liking this trend of portraits of terrible women, like Meghan and Phyliss Schafly, unless it's camp." - Jane

"Miss Charlize is like, "Do I need to remind you guys again who is the baddest bitch around here?." I just can'ttttt! She looks like Megan Kelly's twin -- that makeup work is insanity!!!" - Jono

"if Nicole doesn't wear a bad wig in a it really a must see event?" -Chris

Keep TFE Strong

We're looking for 500... no 461 Patron SaintsIf you read us daily, please be one.  Your suscription dimes make an enormous difference. Consider...

I ♥ The Film Experience



Directors of For Sama

Lulu Wang (The Farewell)
Ritesh Batra (Photograph)
Schmidt & Abrantes (Diamantino)
Wanuri Kahiu (Rafiki)
Jia Zhang-ke (Ash is Purest White)

What'cha Looking For?
« Blueprints: The Nominees for Best Original Screenplay | Main | Olympics at the Oscar and "I, Tonya" »

Months of Meryl: The Seduction of Joe Tynan (1979)

Hi, we’re John and Matt and, icymi, we are watching every single live-action film starring Streep.

#4 — Karen Traynor, a Southern political operative who has an affair with a popular senator.

JOHN: I can’t even imagine what it must have felt like to be an actressexual in 1979, the year when Meryl Streep catapulted herself from that interesting, up-and-coming actress of The Deer Hunter, the Holocaust miniseries (which brought her first Emmy win), and the New York theater scene, to first-class movie star, appearing in three successful films and winning her first Oscar for the year’s highest-grosser and Best Picture champ, Kramer vs. Kramer. But let’s not get too ahead of ourselves; buried in the middle of all this impressive acclaim is perhaps Streep’s least-known triumph of her early period: Jerry Schatzberg’s The Seduction of Joe Tynan.

This story of a liberal senator (Alan Alda, who also penned the script) struggling to balance political ambitions with family life, is a keen, sophisticated relic from a time when studio movies were risky, inspired, and targeted towards an adult audience, free of gimmicks or condescension. They were capable of making bank to boot.

In Joe Tynan, Streep plays Karen Traynor, a Louisiana lawyer who, while aiding Tynan’s campaign against a racist Supreme Court nominee (Remember when racism disqualified you from office?), begins a fling with Alda’s fast-rising political star...

Streep reportedly took this role as a distraction from the death of her lover John Cazale; production began just four weeks after the funeral. This circumstance lends, I think, an unexpected sadness to her performance, a melancholic undertow that underscores the frivolity of this brief affair. One of my favorite moments of her performance occurs when, after exchanging a first kiss with Joe in his office, Karen watches him take a call from his wife (the extraordinary Barbara Harris), and is subsequently reminded of her cursory status in Joe’s life. We see Streep, in close-up, play out the initial high of a new romance with the uncomfortable reminder of its impermanence.

Do you think of Karen as a melancholy character too, or am I reading too much into Streep’s own personal life? It’s not as if the performance is without that loose, relaxed, and undeniably comic sensibility that she excels at in so many of her “lighter” roles.

MATTHEW: Let me just say that what Streep does in those close-ups as Alda natters away on the phone is utterly hypnotic. Karen is wading through a sandstorm of emotions, from moony elation to sidelined discomfort, and watching Streep embark on this minutes-long emotional journey with the character is one of the first of Joe Tynan’s many acting pleasures. (Streep is excellent here, but I also cannot undersell the depths of feeling and peculiarity that Harris invests into her unusually rich Ambivalent Wife role; Harris was the National Society of Film Critics runner up for Best Supporting Actress of 1979, losing to Streep herself for all three of her 1979 films)

There is definitely a discernible sorrow to Streep’s performance that is perhaps best embodied in the indulgently extended, mid-film scene of Karen at home in Louisiana, one of the only moments in which we are allowed to witness Karen’s life away from Joe. We see Karen say a dispassionate, fleetingly-interested goodbye to her husband, who’s off to Milan on another business trip. She’s waiting for an overdue work call and is palpably startled when the phone finally does ring — and it’s Joe on the other line. As Streep lounges in her living room and traipses around her kitchen in the moments leading up to this call, her body is relaxed, but her immobile face tells an entirely different story. Streep wears a stony, almost aloof expression throughout the scene, but the heavy shifts of her pupils and the distracted slowness of her responses convey a painful, secretive uncertainty, telling a subtly conflicting story of a woman at peace in her own home, if utterly at sea in her own head.

Karen’s storyline points distinctively towards personal devastation, which is why I’m perhaps more surprised by the disarmingly comedic component of Streep’s performance, evident from her first moment on screen, as she lazes, alert and lynx-like, in Joe’s office during their first meeting, trading sneaky grins with her co-worker over Joe’s obvious impressionability. I see in Joe Tynan, more than in any of Streep’s other, earlier works, where those still-persistent Carole Lombard comparisons might have stemmed from, but with one key divergence. Lombard, maybe the Golden Age’s most genius comedienne, is best remembered for playing characters who were often larger-than-life, from the girlish, hyper-affectionate debutante of My Man Godfrey to the glamorous stage starlet of To Be or Not to Be. In Joe Tynan, Streep is unmistakably playing an everywoman, one who is nonetheless made so much more unique by the giddy, casual effervescence of Streep’s approach. She shines, laughing with breezy abandon and preserving a lusty twinkle in her eye during so many of her adultery scenes with Alda, evoking what Lombard might have looked like in one of Eric Rohmer’s romantic roundelays. She fully distinguishes Karen from The Deer Hunter’s fragile Linda and Manhattan’s ice-armored Jill, and looks like she’s having a ball while doing so. What do you make of Streep’s balancing act?

JOHN: I’ve never wanted to be anywhere more than I want to be strolling around with Karen alone in her Louisiana home, preferably also in a bathrobe and rocking my gorgeous blonde locks. What most impresses me about Streep’s Karen, is her uncanny ability to modulate disparate feelings through tiny pinches and tremors in that angular, effervescent face. The fact that we both discussed her comic chops and lovelorn despair with equally substantial descriptions is a testament to Streep’s already incredible knack for cohesively mixing humor and sadness within a single character. Karen is presented first as adoring fan (“I think you’re the most exciting figure in the country today,” she blushes to Alda without irony), segues into professional bigwig, sexy flirt, frolicking mistress, and finally ambivalent cheat, and somehow all these roles coalesce. It’s not until after the film ends — I again have to mention Harris’ sublime final close-up — that you realize how much detail Streep has threaded throughout her performance. Karen is neither a scheming seductress, using Senator Tynan, as she easily could, to leverage her own career, nor a reckless Other Woman foil to Harris’ gloomy housewife, nor plainly functional cog in the script’s larger focus on Joe’s political dilemmas.

In Streep’s hands, a supporting character is, yet again, imbued with life beyond the page (even when, in this instance, what’s written on the page is quite worthy of her talents), and brought to a complete whole, tied together with her singularly effortless charm. This performance makes it abundantly clear that Streep contains multitudes, and yet Karen’s emotional spectrum is purely specific to this character. It isn’t hard to imagine Streep, then just 30 years old, lending some welcome allure and complexity to Paul Mazursky’s An Unmarried Woman or taking a swing at an Annie Hall-like vehicle where she gets the chance to fully flex her enticing complexity. Actors have skillsets, toolboxes, techniques, plump scripts, costumes to cloak and prosthetics to cover, yet few have ever possessed the mesmerizingly uncomplicated charisma of Meryl Streep. When she’s onscreen, I don’t want to watch anyone else in any other movie, and this gem of a film treats us devotees to a delicious treat.

Here’s yet two more moments to savor: Karen gleefully pouring champagne on Joe’s crotch as they lounge postcoitally in some motel room and, later in a similar motel room, Karen taking a pivotal call from Joe and making the decision to jump ship and stay behind as he headlines the nominating convention. These clips should be in every career-highlight reel. Did we miss any?

MATTHEW: I think you covered the highlights, any one of which deserves to be in those frequent Streep retrospective packages, but is never included. I would go as far to say that this is perhaps the finest Streep performance that too few people have actually seen. She takes what could have been a standard Happy Homewrecker part and gets the audience on her side, not exactly rooting for her but willing to withhold any damning judgment and actually empathize with her pain, a rarity in plots like these. And she does this not by clobbering us over the head with kindness, but by acknowledging every thorny area of Karen’s character and communicating them through a smiling but rueful persona. She presents a complete modern woman, not shorn of complexities but defined by them. And when these complexities rise to the surface, disrupting the sly equanimity of this underrated political comedy, their manifestations can hardly be forgotten. This came at the tail-end of arguably one of the very best decades of American actressing, but, as Joe Tynan and next week’s milestone film prove, we can at least give thanks that Streep arrived just in the knick of time.

What say you, reader? How many of you have actually seen the notoriously hard-to-find Seduction of Joe Tynan? If you have, where does Streep’s work in it fall for you within the larger scope of her career?

PrintView Printer Friendly Version

EmailEmail Article to Friend

Reader Comments (28)

Please show some mercy and cancel this series. Too much Meryl everywhere. Give us a window of time to breath before the MammaMia/MaryPoppins/BBL shitstorm begins.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterTonya

I remember seeing it in the 1990s, and thinking it was very good and that she was great in it. My memory of it is hazy (wish it was available to watch again), but as far as I recall, it would be, at a minimum, in the top 3rd of her filmography for me.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterScottC

Tonya -- or we can turn ourselves into agents and find her a play on Broadway and a talk show to host so we can basically never discuss any other actress again.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterPeggy Sue

I'm still trying to find the film with no luck

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterMark

Barbara Harris should have won the Oscar. She's just fantastic. And that final scene. Damn.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered Commenterbrookesboy

Subtle and sublime. Wonderful accent.
Very difficult movie to find- had a VHS copy but then opted for DVD option on Amazon - which really is just a transfer-
Tynan’s daughter overacts a bit for my taste. Harris is fine but Streep just seems to be operating on a different level or technique here that sets the stage for other to look up to and revere later on.
Love the series! Could not come at a better time.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterJamie

Wow, imagine seeing An Unmarried Woman and thinking "Gee, Meryl Streep would've been great in that."

Very few people even know Jill Clayburgh's name. Retroactively recasting her best role with Meryl Streep is, um...a bit much.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterHayden

I've never seen this film and am inspired now to seek it out! Plus, Matthew and John are good writers, so I'm following along with this series happily.

I'm old enough to remember watching "Holocaust" on TV in the 70s—and I remember the impact Meryl made in that series.I got hooked on her then and have followed her closely ever since. This series is a fascinating revisitation for me. Sorry, haters. I grew up with Meryl and remain fascinated by her despite eventual overexposure and uneven recent work.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterHustler

This film was on Netflix Instant for awhile years ago, but unfortunately, it was before I was a regular user, and I missed the Instant Watch window. I keep hoping they'll bring it back.

If they cancelled this series, what would Meryl's detractors do with themselves? (Bring her up in comments on posts unrelated to Meryl, of course.)

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterSuzanne

Please keep this series. If people don't want to read about Meryl, they don't have to.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterMMinDC

Streep is truly extraordinary in this - even more compelling, I would argue, than in KRAMER VS. KRAMER. Terrific film too.

And yes, Harris deserved a nomination too.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterAndrew Carden

I know that this series is about Meryl, but thanks for giving Barbara Harris her due. Although I haven't seen this particular film, Harris has given an amazing performance in everything I've ever seen her in (Nashville, even Freaky Friday!). It's a shame she's not better known today.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterBiggs

Biggs -- i too love love love Barbara Harris. But I've never seen this one. I would love to fill in this gap in my 1979 knowledge.

Everyone -- one Meryl Streep article a week isn't going to kill you. It was just a lot of Meryl this week due to the Oscar nomination, the Big Little Lies news, and this regular series. A lot of people live to read about her / follow her every move. Cry uncle like me and give in :)

January 25, 2018 | Registered CommenterNATHANIEL R

Jerry Schatzberg is not discussed enough...I caught Puzzle of a Downfall Child on Youtube one time and it was breathtaking. Why have these movies not gotten the Criterion treatment?

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterBia

Bia, I have been trying to find that one. His film Scarecrow is one the best of the 70s.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered Commenterbrookesboy

I have never seen this one and vaguely thought it was "just okay." With this review, I really want to see it out now, though not sure where I'd find it.

And yes, I love Barbara Harris too though I really only recall Nashville (fantastic), Family Plot (fuzzy movie, but she was winning), and...?

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterDave in Hollywood

I think Meryl haters have now hit a new low by attacking our dear writers at TFE for all their hard work and passion just because they don't wish to see any more write-ups of her.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterMande

Dave, she's wonderful in Plaza Suite, A Thousand Cowns, and the aforementioned Freaky Friday. Also she's an Oscar nominee for Who Is Harry Kellerman and Why Is He Saying Those Terrible Things About Me?

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered Commenterbrookesboy

What I remember most about this film was how happy Alan Alda and Meryl Streep seemed to be. Top of the world, top of their profession, everything going their way, loving their profession. That's kind of sweet to see.

You know how it is with It Girls in their moment. Some people love them unconditionally in everything; some people are looking to their future, analyzing their strengths. With this film, people were thinking Streep's strength was more in drama than comedy.

There was some scoffing that Alda chose a much younger Thinking Person's It Girl for his love interest.

There was also skepticism that Alda was too self-congratulatory, and some of that bled over onto Streep.

Outside of the Alda-Streep "aren't we delightful" scenes, Streep had a mini showcase of moments displaying her acting skills. But Barbara Harris was the one who came across as a real person, contrasting with Alda, the giddy multi-hyphenate, and Streep the Actress.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered Commenteradri

I think I would agree that this is probably the best film she's made that is underknown. And perhaps the best performance.

She is quite wonderful in it and I enjoyed the critique of her work. Both Alan Alda and Melvyn Douglas contribute excellent performances as well but for me the draw and standout is Barbara Harris. She does so, so much with her role finding a great deal of depth that might not have even been on the page. If I had my way I'd take Meryl's Oscar for Kramer vs. Kramer-excellent though she was-and hand it to Harris.

The film is sharp and incisive and it's a real pity and a head scratcher why it is so hard to find. It's when you look at forgotten or at least little remembered gems such as this that I'm enjoying this series the most.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered Commenterjoel6

brookesboy -- it's on youtube from time to time...and then goes down. But sadly, the DVD is only available in Region 2. I'm hopeful it will make its way back to America one day.

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterBia


And please keep on with this wonderful series. I look forward to it each Thursday!

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterBC

The movie is on DVD... I bought it on Amazon

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterJamie

I am a Meryl Streep fan and this series is well-written and insightful. I have not seen this film but will now look for it. Keep up the good work!

January 25, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterBGK

This series is great, like film school. It’s interesting with artists, how you look at their work later and realize they were all doing great work. Alan Alda Barbara Harris Streep most cast all excellent (except child actor only because that comment made me laugh)

January 26, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterJono

The movie was on HBO Go quite recently. Check there for availability. I flagged it some weeks back but haven’t watched it yet.

January 26, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterJames from Ames

I saw this film back on VHS and put it in the category of "under-appreciated". Streep in this role reminds me a little of her role in "Heartburn". This is not "Big Acting" - it's a combination of smaller moments. Great series - ignore the haters, thank you for doing this.

January 26, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterLadyEdith

Tonya - You could just simply not read it! How about that? There are some of us who happen to like Streep and enjoy reading this series.

January 27, 2018 | Unregistered CommenterMarcos

PostPost a New Comment

Enter your information below to add a new comment.

My response is on my own website »
Author Email (optional):
Author URL (optional):
Some HTML allowed: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <code> <em> <i> <strike> <strong>